Digital Transformation & AI for Humans
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In this podcast, we delve into how technology intersects with leadership, innovation, and most importantly, the human spirit.
Each episode features visionary leaders from different countries who understand that at the heart of success is the human touch—nurturing a winning mindset, fostering emotional intelligence, soft skills, and building resilient teams.
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Digital Transformation & AI for Humans
AI & EdTech Innovation: Redefining the Future of Learning
Let’s take a closer look at the AI & Educational Technology Innovation to Redefine the Future of Learning with my fantastic guest from Luxembourg — Attila Lengyel.
Attila is a former Amazon Web Services senior leader, Amazon Bar Raiser, Chief Innovation Officer at EduGamiTec, keynote speaker, expert strategy building facilitator, innovation coach and company culture nerd.
By leveraging Amazon's mechanisms for innovation, Attila helped companies like Securitas and HEINEKEN build new digital products and services rooted in customer needs. As an Amazon Bar Raiser, he has conducted over 500 interviews, supported over 100 hires, and mentored Bar Raiser candidates.
Attila’s career journey also includes over a decade of senior roles at Microsoft and Exact Software, where he translated business objectives into transformative technology solutions.
🔑 Key topics 👇
✔ Future-Proofing Workforce Education: How business leaders can align continuous learning with rapidly evolving job roles and AI-driven change
✔ From Theory to Practice: Why real-world problem-solving is replacing traditional education models - and how AI is accelerating this shift
✔ The Rise of the Generalist: How automation is changing the value of expertise, and why broad, adaptable thinkers are essential in the AI era
✔ The Future of EdTech: Predictions and trends shaping the next 2–5 years of education, corporate learning, and workforce development
✔ AI and Executive Leadership: The essential skills leaders need in an AI-powered world - and how learning tech can help them stay ahead
✔ Real-Time Learning for Business Impact: How AI-driven platforms deliver just-in-time knowledge, improve retention, and drive performance
✔ Elevating Human Intelligence: How EdTech must evolve to cultivate creativity, emotional intelligence, and critical thinking in an automated world
✔ Human-Centric AI Learning: A powerful takeaway for CEOs and HR leaders on integrating AI into education while keeping the human element at the core
🔗 Connect with Attila on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alengyel/
🌏 Learn more about EduGamiTec: https://edugamitec.com/
About the host, Emi Olausson Fourounjieva
With over 20 years in IT, digital transformation, business growth & leadership, Emi specializes in turning challenges into opportunities for business expansion and personal well-being.
Her contributions have shaped success stories across the corporations and individuals, from driving digital growth, managing resources and leading teams in big companies to empowering leaders to unlock their inner power and succeed in this era of transformation.
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Hello and welcome to Digital Transformation and AI for Humans with your host, amy. In this podcast, we delve into how technology intersects with leadership, innovation and, most importantly, the human spirit. Each episode features visionary leaders who understand that at the heart of success is the human touch nurturing a winning mindset, fostering emotional intelligence and building resilient teams. A winning mindset, fostering emotional intelligence and building resilient teams. Let's take a closer look at the AI and educational technology innovation to redefine the future of learning with my fantastic guest from Luxembourg, attila Lengiel.
Speaker 1:Attila is a former Amazon Web Services Senior Leader, amazon Bar Racer, chief Innovation Officer at EduGamingTech Keynote Speaker, expert, strategy Building Facilitator, innovation Coach and Company Culture Nerd. By leveraging Amazon's mechanisms for innovation, attila helped companies like Securitas and Heineken build new digital products and services rooted in customer needs. As an Amazon bar racer, he has conducted over 500 interviews, supported over 100 hires and mentored bar racer candidates. Atso's career journey also includes over a decade of senior roles at Microsoft and Exact Software, where he translated business objectives into transformative technology solutions. Welcome, attila, I'm excited to have you in the studio. So great to have this conversation today. It's truly timely. How are you?
Speaker 2:It is my absolute pleasure and honor to be invited and have this conversation with you. So, yes, I feel great.
Speaker 1:Amazing. Let's start the conversation and transform not just our technologies but our ways of thinking and leading. If you are interested in connecting or collaborating, you can find more information in the description below. Subscribe and stay tuned for more episodes in the description below. Subscribe and stay tuned for more episodes. I'd also love to invite you to get your copy of AI Leadership Compass Unlocking Business Growth and Innovation the definitive guide for leaders and business owners to adapt and thrive in the age of AI and digital transformation. Find the Amazon link in the description below. Attila. To start with, I'd love to learn more about you, your journey, about everything. What brought you to the success you are experiencing today thank you so well.
Speaker 2:I think my story started, oh my god, almost three decades ago when I graduated as a teacher of history and economics. But teaching was not really a very lucrative career path back in the 90s. So, as Hollywood stars are saying, I was young, I needed the money. So I moved over to IT. I never became an IT engineer or a programmer. I always stayed on the business side and in all of my roles I was actually working on helping companies to be a better version of themselves with the use of technology. At the beginning, in the first 10 years or so, inside Microsoft and ExR, these are fairly simple things, for example, just deploying a new piece of software to have a better warehouse system or have some workflow in order to streamline internet procedures. And about 12 or 11 years ago I got a call from Amazon Web Services and they invited me to join their teams and I became a cloud computing salesperson. Now I kind of elevated my act to a different level, because now I was talking about overall digital transformation and how to leverage this brand new technology, which was just as revolutionary at that time, about 12 years ago, than Gen AI now. So I was working with companies to figure it out, how can they use this technology to initiate that digital transformation and get some really tangible results out of that.
Speaker 2:After a few years, I switched roles inside AWS and joined the training and certification team, because I kept hearing from my customers that, attila, we get it, we understand the business rationale behind moving to the cloud. We just had no people who can actually do this. So I thought, ok, cloud skills, digital skills that's going to be the next big thing. I became the training manager of a quite big area inside the EMEA region and I was working with companies to build their own digital learning strategies and building a new cloud-capable workforce.
Speaker 2:And about four years later so about four years ago I joined a new team which was called Digital Innovation Team, because, again, I listened to customers and I heard that, okay, we get the business rationale. Now we have people who can actually do this. Now, what we lift and shift everything, that's cool. How can we get more out of that? So I thought, okay, now it's innovation which is on the table, how to leverage this new technology in order to bring new products and services faster in a better way to market.
Speaker 2:So I was working in the digital innovation team. I was telling the story of how Amazon innovates and if a customer raised hands saying makes sense, can we give it a try? I was able to work with them, ask them to bring one of their own customer problems and I coached them how we would approach it if it were inside Amazon and help them to build a new digital product or service. And about six months ago I kind of made a big career decision and left the corporate world behind and decided to leverage everything I learned over the past almost three decades and help a company called Edugemitech, which is a very visionary educational technology company, and build something dramatically new in order to bring a new type of learning into the corporate world.
Speaker 1:So that's where I am amazing and congratulations to your big leap, because it's always exciting to change the path, it's always exciting to participate in something. What is going to transform the future of edutech? And I have the first question, which is actually closely connected to a story artificial intelligence today is reshaping job roles and industries. How can business leaders, future-proof workforce education, ensuring continuous learning, keep space with rapid change?
Speaker 2:Yes. So first of all, thank you very much. That's the plan to really bring something revolutionary to this market. And the first question is actually really exciting and interesting because it is to me. It very much focuses on the relationship between leaders and their educational business departments. So the learning and development things, because I have seen good examples and bad examples. I have seen examples where learning and development teams were an absolute engine of innovation and adopting new technologies, but most of the times I bumped into teams who were thinking quite traditionally.
Speaker 2:So I think, as a leader, how to make it business proof? I think it's about building a more agile learning system, something which is reacting much, much faster, because, especially if you think about Gen AI, it is changing on a weekly basis. So you can't afford to have a learning strategy which is carved into stone for the next three years. That's what I have seen. Learning and development teams are very often isolated from the market, from the customers, and they are following some well-defined and carefully written rules and strategies, but these are kind of set for the next 12, 36 months and they are very hard to push them out of this. So, as a leader, I think what I have seen working very well is when leaders are building this connection between the real life and their customer-facing roles and customer-facing functions and their learning departments and actually making sure that the learning departments has the capability to react in a super fast way and they can build up new skill development possibilities, just like this. I don't know, does it answer your question?
Speaker 1:Absolutely. And this part, with the fast-paced transformation and the fact that the world is changing and we can't really navigate as before, we need a different approach. It is leading me to this thought that learning is shifting from theory to real world problem solving as well, not just in terms of the timeline, but in terms of definitions and approaches. So what major trends are driving this shift, and how can AI and Gen AI transform corporate learning into a driver of critical thinking, adaptability and innovation so needed today and tomorrow?
Speaker 2:So, yes, I think this is an ongoing shift for decades now. Honestly, even 30 years ago when I graduated, I heard the same things. Which I keep hearing since then is when companies are hiring a fresh graduate and they tell them that, okay, good, you have the theory. Now forget everything you learned in the university because we do stuff on our own right. So it's kind of the theory versus the everyday practice and how they are supporting and balancing or contradicting each other.
Speaker 2:A lot of companies are actually building their own educational programs. Sometimes it's just a 90-day onboarding, like in Amazon, sometimes it's a much longer, like over a few career paths, defining education when they want to teach the people they hired the way they are doing business, which is understandable, but it could be tricky because it might freeze people's thinking into the good old patterns and they don't necessarily going to support innovation. Nevertheless, I think about three years ago, when Gen AI became a thing and it became suddenly common sense and everybody started to talk about it, I think it was fairly easy to identify the four low-hanging fruits. So those functions. What Jenny and I can help greatly with these are like create new content videos, pictures, audios. Create new code, automate stuff, like personal assistants.
Speaker 2:But what was the most important and most interesting for me is analyzing, digesting and assessing immense amount of knowledge, immense amount of documentation, immense amount of data, which is, I think, is a game changer when it comes to education. Because, yeah, here's the thing when it comes to critical thinking and adopting the theory, usually it will ask you or make you do a lot of research. Think about this you are a fresh graduate from a legal university, you are a lawyer, right, and you join a company. You have all the legal knowledge in your head and now you're going to sit into a company who has, I don't know, hundreds of thousands of patents and a huge amount of intellectual property, and your responsibility will be to deal with it. So now you have to start by digesting immense amount of documentation and figure it out. What's going on? With the help of Gen AI, actually, this whole process of understanding what's the real-life reality of the company is going to be much, much faster, like uncomparably faster. So I think that's what Gen AI is going to help people to combine or synchronize theory with practice by building the bridge between the two, between the two, helping you to digest and understand how real life looks like, so that you can start applying the theory into this absolute real life scenario.
Speaker 2:So I think that's the and the way, how it is, how Genii can be used to actually cage this is, I believe, going to be two things. First of all, I have seen tendencies that, in order to be able to apply your theory into real life, gen AI will be able to help you to run simulations, game-based learning. Serious games actually put you into lifelike situations where you will have the possibility to apply this theory in real life. And the other thing is what Jenny and I will be able to do is actually create a continuously up-to-date curriculum automatically based on how circumstances or the context is changing related to your job role. So think about it this way If you are a salesperson or a customer service agent, it will happen.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what we are working on at EduGammyTech. It will happen that you will be put into gamified situations where you will be able to simulate how to get out of very challenging or tough customer situations and, on the other hand, based on all the incoming customer interactions, there will be a tool who will monitor this continuously. Understand what are the most pressing, the most interesting incoming customer requests. Understand what is the best answer for that? And continuously update the curriculum which will be available for you as a customer service agent, real time immediately, so you can apply everything you learn in real life immediately.
Speaker 1:Exciting times.
Speaker 2:Very much yes.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. They are opening up for such incredible solutions and everything is getting so much easier and faster, and also it's so much easier to relate to the real life examples and get into the practice so fast and much easier as well I have.
Speaker 2:I have to to say that there is a little trap here, though, which I keep seeing it happening again and again, and not just with Gen AI, but with all the big technologies which emerged in the past let's say, 10, 15 years starting with big data, then cloud, then blockchain and now with Gen AI is that these are being hyped at the moment. These were always very fashionable at a certain time, and it happened many times that leaderships or leaders in companies heard about it and they say, okay, this is transformative, this is going to change the game. We need to apply it. We need to use it because otherwise we're going to change the game. We need to apply it. We need to use it because otherwise we're going to miss the train. So they said, okay, let's try to do something with it. So they actually started to push this new technology without really thinking through what can be reasonably applied to, and there was always somebody in the teams, in the IT teams, who raised hands saying that, well, I read this article or saw this video. This is how we can use Gen AI. So they started to build something without the real understanding that how this could be beneficial for anybody inside or outside of the company. They built something and eventually, because it's not really addressing the real need, it didn't go anywhere. So it is a failure.
Speaker 2:And unfortunately, I've seen many cases that then leadership draw the wrong conclusion that this technology is not for them and they conclude that this failed experiment, that's it. You're not going to touch this technology anymore because it's not for us, our customers, our business or for whatever reason, is not going to work for us. And not just that they okay, they shelve this experiment. But even in the future, if somebody comes in and saying, hey, here is this customer problem and here is a solution and I would like to use blockchain to solve this, they say no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:We tried blockchain. It didn't work for us, forget it and they just completely put aside a very important piece of technology and they missed the train eventually. And this is a vicious circle. It happens again and again. With the new technology coming up, becoming fashionable, let's try to do something with it. It didn't work, it's not for us, we are missing the train. So, when it comes to practical life and how to use this technology, I think it's extremely important to be aware what these technologies are really usable for.
Speaker 1:And this message. It's not only super important, but it also reflects the latest trends and what is really going on from the leadership perspective, because exactly what you just described you can hear a similar story and similar experiences from so many other leaders in my previous episodes as well, and we are seeing the same and it's painful. It is so sad because sometimes it might even kill the business. If you are not catching up with the change, you are going to stay behind and it might mean death for your business because competitors are moving forward and there will be no space at certain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely so it is a matter of survival right now, and that's why we are having these conversations to highlight what really matters and place things into perspective, to show that it is not about technologies. It is also about solutions and strategies, and technologies are just some sort of enabler.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and that is actually connecting to. You mentioned that I'm also a company culture nerd and I think it's super important to have a clear company culture like the highest level of business models about the purpose of your organization and what are the needs you are about to serve, and I think Amazon is very good with that. So every technology they explore and experiment with and later on adopt, they always look at those technologies through the lens of what kind of customer needs can be addressed with that. But that could be a topic of a different conversation at one point.
Speaker 1:I'm sure we're going to open up for that conversation separately, because it is super valuable and super exciting as well. Attila, most business models rely on deep expertise, but artificial intelligence is changing the game. With automation making knowledge more accessible, broad, adaptable thinking is in higher demand. How do you see the STEM approach evolving, and what role will generalists play in the future of educational technology and workforce learning?
Speaker 2:This is a recurring debate I have here at home with my wife. She's a graphics artist, a game developer, game designer, and she has probably hundreds of ex-colleagues who are in a very difficult situation right now because fairly simple Gen EI tools are actually pushing them out from their jobs. Creating an image, creating a video, creating the new design it's something that can be automated now and these people are actually. Their job is at risk. So we have this conversation all the time and I'm saying that honestly. It already happened in the past. There was always a new technology coming in and making certain jobs and professions obsolete. Just think about, I don't know, industrial metal manufacturing and how they pushed blacksmiths out of the business. Or if I look at movies from the 50s, there is always these rooms full of ladies sitting behind typewriters and copying documents right. And when the first Xerox photocopy machine came into business, they were all out of the jobs. But the same happened with, for example, the photo studios who were creating the paper copies of photos, right, and with digital photography, they were out of business unless they reinvented themselves. So I always tell my wife that yeah, I mean it happened before. This time I realized that, yeah, I mean it happened before. So, and those who survived? They were able to either embrace the new technology and use it to elevate their profession into a higher level, or they had to look for something else. And her argument is, yes, that's true, but in the past these changes happened much, much slower, and also, one innovation usually impacted one small family of jobs related jobs and right now we see something which is uncomparably faster and it's like the same technology is disrupting hundreds or probably even more jobs. So, yes, it's a situation which is unprecedented Probably never heard about this before and, yeah, it will require people to look at their job and their profession differently.
Speaker 2:I would say that the way I see is how education will support this, or what will be the role of education in the future. I think it's going to be in two layers. First of all, it will have to focus on helping people to master this new technology, so how to use Gen AI at the highest level with the most effective and efficient way. It's something like back in the 90s when Photoshop became a thing and at first there was a lot of uproar from the graphical designers and artists saying that, oh, from now on, every amateur can just create beautiful pictures and then history showed that no, that was not it, but artists. If they learned how to use this new tool, they were actually able to elevate their artistic vision and create something even way much better and more beautiful than they were capable of doing before that. So I think one direction of education around Gen AI is going to be to teach people how to use Gen AI tools the most effective way and how to use it for their own profession to reach better quality, faster delivery, things like that. On the other side is and I think that's more important from the perspective of your question generalists.
Speaker 2:I believe that the second layer of what the Gen AI-related education we have to achieve is teach people how to leverage the possibilities what Gen AI makes available, and what I'm thinking about is I already mentioned to you that Gen AI is capable of digesting immense amounts of data and then analyze it, extract it, create summaries and help you understand and get to the same level of knowledge which, in the past, would have required probably months and months and months of research and reading.
Speaker 2:And it also helps you or help organizations to break down knowledge silos. In the past, like even just three, four years ago, there were experts who were very good in the warehouse management systems. There were experts who were brilliant salespeople or legal or marketing and they were sitting on top of a massive amount of knowledge related to their profession. But right now, if I use a Gen EI tool and I say, okay, tell me everything I need to know about the warehouse systems or marketing or sales, I kind of can get a certain level of information and knowledge. So this means that silos are going to be broken down and I think what education has to achieve is to teach me now what? So what can I do if there are no more silos? How can I? I don't know, how can I live, how can I operate in a world where every information is available? So I think, if it comes to gen AIDs are the two directions to master the tools and the second to really leverage the power, what these tools can actually unleash.
Speaker 1:I love your approach and it's really not that easy to know how it's going to shift and how it's going to reflect on our lives, our professional future and, as you mentioned, there are two approaches are worried today because it looks like if AI is developing fast enough to be able to replace many professions within the coming few years, it can not worry and not create that resistance in adoption as well, Because when you are thinking about the approach within the companies, when they see that every new technology, every new pilot which is going to roll out and replace something is going potentially to take them out of their profession, so of course they are consciously or unconsciously trying to slow it down and resist it as long as possible. But that's a very interesting topic. So fast forward to the future. Interesting topics, so fast forward to the future. What's your vision and predictions for how EdTech will evolve over?
Speaker 2:the next two to five years. So it is a super hard question, right? So if I look at the tools what we can use now to create learning content or to deliver this learning content it is changing on a weekly basis. There is always a new tool coming up which makes it much easier for you to do certain tasks. So it's it's it's really tough to to have an idea where this is going to end up, but I think I think there will be two main trends and, talking with learning and L&D professionals, that's what I also see. That that's what they are using Gen AI for at the moment, and one of them is content creation. So learning, content creation and Gen AI is going to accelerate it and totally transform it.
Speaker 2:So, right now, creating learning content. It's a long job, it's tough work and also it's very challenging because your product team is telling you that, hey, here are the new features of a new product, create the learning content around that. And then you, as an L&D professional, you need to figure out what's important, what's not, how to prioritize, and so on and so forth. So that's a lot of work. Also, once you created the curriculum, it's done In order to modify it. It usually takes a lot of time and money and energy, and also if you create the delivery method, so you record the videos, you create the PowerPoint and all that stuff. Changing content requires a lot of re-recording and redesign, so a lot of work, and I think that is something which will dramatically change in the future. I can envision that five years from now, creating learning content can become real-time. Like you, as a learner, ask a question and the systems will create a complete curriculum learning content from the basics to mastering the certain topic real time. So I think that's one. So content creation is going to be completely different how we are doing it right now.
Speaker 2:And the second thing is customization Absolutely tailored, personalized learning content. Now we are using personalization, for example, on online shopping. Right, amazon is famous about creating recommendations of products based on millions of factors, and I think we will reach the same customization level with learning as well. I think the one size fits all curriculum it's in the past. It's going to go away.
Speaker 2:I believe that this is a crucial moment when we might have the opportunity to, I think, develop a more natural way of learning, so sort of turning learning and corporate education from a chore and a burden and something you just want to get over it as fast as possible and turn it something more of a natural exploration fun experience, which will make it more engaging. So actually, you want to come back for more and it will put your mind in a flow state, so you will be more focused and this will enable knowledge retention to be much, much higher. So I think these two things. So creating the learning content, it will be completely different. And how we deliver this learning content hopefully, fingers crossed it's going to be more engaging and much more fun in the future.
Speaker 1:Exciting and I'm looking forward to see more of that, because, as you mentioned, the flow state creates completely different pace of reception and how we incorporate that knowledge into our systems, and it means that we can move faster, but still there is so much to learn, so much to develop a level up when those technologies are surrounding us and coming into our life in different perspectives, on different dimensions. Of course, it is important to upgrade ourselves and acquire that new knowledge and those opportunities you just described. It is amazing to see that we will be able to move faster and take that leap as human beings as well and hopefully become wiser not only smarter. But speaking about this, let's come back to the topic of leadership, because there is no successful application of technologies in real life without the right type of leadership, and AI demands a new kind of leader. What skills will define successful leadership in the AI era, and how can AI-driven learning help executives stay ahead of disruption?
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I was thinking about it. I was thinking about, for example, myself, how I would like to be a leader in the future, how I would like to be educated, even by my own company, and I think some of the status quo is not really going to change. Some of the key leadership principles are going to stay the same, which is you, as a leader, you have to have an absolute, crystal clear understanding of what is the purpose of your organization. You have to have this highest level of mental model about your mission and what is your goal as an organization.
Speaker 2:And you have to be able to communicate it super effectively and continuously reinforce throughout the whole organization. So that is something which is not going to change. Maybe with Gen AI, there will be some tools which will make it easier for you, but that's not going to change. However, I think there will be another characteristic which will be required and it's connected to the fact which I told you that there won't be any silos anymore. Getting a certain depth of knowledge of even business areas which you are not familiar with as a leader in the future is going to be quite easy. I always envisioned do you remember the movie Matrix? You remember the Matrix movie, right? And then there is this scene where Neo is about to fight Morpheus and they download Kung Fu into his brain and he says I know Kung Fu, honestly.
Speaker 2:I believe something similar is going to happen with the leader, but not necessarily directly to the brain. But, for example, if I'm about to have a meeting where I need to have some information about corporate taxation which I have no idea about, I will have the possibility to get that bit of really contextual information which I will need in order to execute my tasks, to do my meeting or whatever. So I think that is going to be a new management skill how to deal with this virtually unlimited information, how to leverage your omnipotent assistant, which is going to be probably a chatbot, which will have access to every bit of information inside your company, in every dark corner of your servers or whatever, and it can dig it up, digest it and make it available to you as a leader. What do you do with that? I think learning that that's going to be, yeah, pretty tough. Let me tell you, and also in a contextual way, so not just theories in general, but you will be able to actually tell your situation and let these tools figure out.
Speaker 2:Okay, so what kind of theory or what kind of information is relevant right now? If I can tell an example about my own experience with AdoGammyTech, so we knew that our solution has two psychological pillars, which is the flow theory and the other one is the cognitive workload. But we knew that there is something with engagement. There is a theory behind why people actually would like to come back again and again and again and engage with things. So I used one of the tools, I explained where we are, I explained this is what we are thinking about and I asked the question what other psychological theories could be relevant for our own specific case. And then it brought up the self-determination theory, which is talking about intrinsic motivations. I knew that I was amazed, but I think it's going to be a super everyday experience for leaders of the future.
Speaker 1:I love your example and all this. It sounds so incredible and we are opening up truly a new era of transformation of human beings as such and of the way we are navigating the future as well, and we are recreating the world around us, so it's absolutely mind-blowing the territory we are navigating today. It is so impressive. Yeah, ai is redefining professional growth, for sure, and you already touched down those topics how AI-powered learning solutions can deliver real-time knowledge, enhance retention and drive business performance. Do you think there is something else in that area that we should dive deeper into?
Speaker 2:I think that in the future, your learning and development department should be able to provide you, as an employee, an absolute, customized, tailored set of knowledge bits which will help you in a, in your specific situation, to move from a to b, to progress in your career, to feel empowered, to have the sense of being able to make a difference, because you have all the tools and knowledge and skills in order to to make that next project or do that experiment. And and I think it will have to be beyond customization, so like fully tailored, it also has to be contextual, not just usually a person who is in this position is these are the pieces of information they usually need. No, I am here, I am facing this challenge, this project, I'm in this situation, I'm a people manager and I had this conflict or whatever. Teach me what should I do in this specific situation, and that's what these tools will have to be able to deliver, and I think they will, because everything is there.
Speaker 1:I'm looking forward to a real-life application, truly With AI automating tasks. Human intelligence is more valuable than ever and as we are looking at everything from humans for humans and applying this approach, humans and applying this approach. So how should edtech evolve to strengthen critical thinking, creativity and emotional intelligence in an ai driven?
Speaker 2:world.
Speaker 2:I think what, what will be interesting and and we already started to scratch the surface of it, but I think there are still super fun things to come is, if I can refer to another movie, I'm also a huge star trek fan and you know, in starship enterprise they have the holodeck where you can run any type of simulation and you it can be just for fun, or it can be to better or enhance yourself, for training and in situational exercises and whatnot.
Speaker 2:So maybe we are not going to be there with Holodeck and things, but I'm pretty sure that this type of simulating real-life situation, creating an environment when you have to, first of all, leverage what you have learned in the best way possible and also making you more sensitive to certain requirements, certain situations I think that is where Gen AI will be able to help us in this area Also, because it can accelerate the digestion of cured data and it can help you make sense out of massive documentation, so static facts.
Speaker 2:Actually, it will free up your time to figure out now what. So what do I do with all this information, with these facts, with all this information, with these facts? So it will save a lot of time on doing the research at the beginning, so that you can spend more time and energy on figuring out what to do with the results, how to recombine them, how to innovate, how to come up with new ideas using your existing knowledge. So I think these are the two areas we just popped into my head, that I think this is how Gen AI will be able to empower human intelligence to reach probably different levels here and there.
Speaker 1:I love today's conversation because everything is so well structured, everything is supported by real life examples.
Speaker 2:You can imagine I'm thinking about all this stuff in my current role. So, yeah, I have the time to figure out some things, how they're going to look in the future.
Speaker 1:Fantastic and we are blessed living in this time where we are co-creating the future on a level we couldn't even dream about even five years ago.
Speaker 2:Yes, that is absolutely true.
Speaker 1:I agree, but today's conversation I could continue it for a very long time and unfortunately it's already time to wrap it up. So one game-changing insight from you what's your most powerful advice for CEOs, hr leaders and business owners on integrating AI into learning processes while making it deeply human?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good one, because my first reaction would be to come up with some technical, technological thing. But if I look behind the scenes and what we also believe in at Ugemi Tech, is that we're probably at the pivotal point in time, because now it seems like that we may have the tools to actually transform the whole learning experience into something more natural. Because here's the thing there is a natural way how children learn stuff, how they experience the world, and it's usually through mentoring by the elderly and a lot of playing and experimenting and trying. And if they learn that, ok, not to touch that mushroom, then you are OK, you are actually having fun and learning all the facts and information which you need in your future life.
Speaker 2:But we somehow deviated from this natural learning process and right now, especially if I look at corporate learning, it's a chore, it's a task nobody really enjoys. It's something which you just have to get over it. And, for example, if you are a salesperson and there is a new product coming out, you know that, okay, I have to sit through this three-hour training and learn every bit of this new product. Although I know that my next customer conversation, I just need the three sentences which will trigger their interest and then we can talk about it. And when they ask me a question, which I remember it was in the training, but who remembers it? I will go back to my product team and ask them hey, this is what I heard. Tell me how does that work and then I will learn it, which is okay, but this just makes the whole learning process redundant, a waste of money and time.
Speaker 2:So, although I think we are in a position right now that leaders should think about how to make learning a more natural experience, how to make it part of the everyday life of employees, and not to experience it as a bad and mandatory thing, but just make it seamlessly fit into whatever I do and it's a very famous example about game-based learning, right that if I give you a sheet of paper with a bunch of arrows up, up, up, up, down, right, left, right, left down, up, up, up, down and I tell you that, okay, learn it, you will suffer.
Speaker 2:You will say, oh God, okay, up, up, up, whatever. But if you make you sit in front of Super Mario and I tell you finish this level, eventually you will learn exactly the same arrows, because that's how you go through the level, but you will enjoy it and probably you will remember the sequence of buttons you pushed. 20 years later, as I remember myself one of the most challenging learnings. So that's how learning can become a more natural process and that is something what Gen AI potentially can make possible in the future. So make learning natural, don't make it a chore, and then people will actually remember what they learned.
Speaker 1:I love this. It's so powerful, it's so simple and so powerful. It's so simple and so powerful, and maybe it's also about addressing so many elephants in the room to simplify the process and create something that is really addressing the real needs, not only today, but tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Spot on, fully agree. Thank you so much, attila, for being here today sharing your experience, sharing everything what we need to think about and what can create a brighter future for us as human beings and help our businesses to thrive not only today, but in two years, five years and even later in the further future, which we can't really predict today. But there are things we can still predict and know that they will remain, they will be a part of our reality. So I'm so grateful for everything you've been sharing here today and I'm sure our listeners and viewers are going to relate to that and apply it in their practice.
Speaker 2:I hope, thank you. Thank you very much for this possibility. I really enjoy the questions. They made me think really hard how things are going to work out. Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much for this possibility. I really enjoy the questions. They made me think really hard how things are going to work out.
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